Comments on: Femininity and Womanhood Today? http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today Old-fashioned Girl in a Post Modern, Hi-Tech World... Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:40:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: Will http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-307 Will Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:09:44 +0000 http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-307 I think that modern life demands we not live as our parents or grand parents lived. I do think this is unfortunate for i believe in traditional ways of life. Now Having said that I also agree its not for everyone. I do think we should have a choice. IF as a woman you want to pursue a career, go for it. If you want to have a family after the University then Go for it. Either should not be viewed in a bad light. Here in American its viewed poorly if a woman does not have a career. TV and culture portrays these women as poor dump pastor's wives who are nothing more then bare foot and pregnant slaves for a man. (stole that from you Cordeilia) Funny though that many well off successful women who have made are now finding more satisfaction in a traditional role. I think that women and men should not stigmatize any women who decides on either. Child rearing takes energy, brains and nurturing. Thats what is wrong with the feminists...they have abandoned everyone who does not agree with them. Viking women in the past held considerable wealth and managed the cash box, farm and thralls when her husband was away which was every summer. She was also incharge of everything that would go on in the home. This was no small feat. Plus she had to put up with us men! Society demands we leave the home and earn a living. Its expensive today. Taxes, cars, Homes and property, it all takes alot of capital. So in short I think a women should be able to do either as she wishes and succeed at both according to her skills. I think that modern life demands we not live as our parents or grand parents lived. I do think this is unfortunate for i believe in traditional ways of life.

Now Having said that I also agree its not for everyone. I do think we should have a choice. IF as a woman you want to pursue a career, go for it. If you want to have a family after the University then Go for it. Either should not be viewed in a bad light. Here in American its viewed poorly if a woman does not have a career. TV and culture portrays these women as poor dump pastor’s wives who are nothing more then bare foot and pregnant slaves for a man. (stole that from you Cordeilia)
Funny though that many well off successful women who have made are now finding more satisfaction in a traditional role.

I think that women and men should not stigmatize any women who decides on either. Child rearing takes energy, brains and nurturing. Thats what is wrong with the feminists…they have abandoned everyone who does not agree with them.

Viking women in the past held considerable wealth and managed the cash box, farm and thralls when her husband was away which was every summer. She was also incharge of everything that would go on in the home. This was no small feat. Plus she had to put up with us men!

Society demands we leave the home and earn a living. Its expensive today. Taxes, cars, Homes and property, it all takes alot of capital.

So in short I think a women should be able to do either as she wishes and succeed at both according to her skills.

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By: lyndonmaxewell http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-310 lyndonmaxewell Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:34:26 +0000 http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-310 To me, a man or woman are the same. We are all humans, so the major dissection into who should/ can do what isn't realistic. Why don't all of us just be ourselves? That would be most important. To me, a man or woman are the same. We are all humans, so the major dissection into who should/ can do what isn’t realistic. Why don’t all of us just be ourselves? That would be most important.

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By: Philip Sorenson http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-312 Philip Sorenson Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:53:17 +0000 http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-312 Cordelia, I agree with you on this. I see so many women at my work who are unhappy with thier situations at home and at work. One or the other (often both) suffer from neglect, etc. Women, I believe, are not really designed for the rough-and-tumble business world. Their personalities often cannot bear it out. If married and working and having kids, they stress so much that they make themselves prematurely old. It is interesting to note that a larger number of women are eschewing the workforce to stay home and raise children. I just hope that whatever path a woman chooses that she not lose her femininity and that she can be happy. Cordelia,

I agree with you on this. I see so many women at my work who are unhappy with thier situations at home and at work. One or the other (often both) suffer from neglect, etc. Women, I believe, are not really designed for the rough-and-tumble business world. Their personalities often cannot bear it out. If married and working and having kids, they stress so much that they make themselves prematurely old. It is interesting to note that a larger number of women are eschewing the workforce to stay home and raise children. I just hope that whatever path a woman chooses that she not lose her femininity and that she can be happy.

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By: Isle Dance http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-313 Isle Dance Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:23:23 +0000 http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-313 I relate to much of this as I chose to give up contemporary expectations to instead live simply and meaningfully. The beauty is that one can do this whether they are single or married. However, I can't wait to find my man! Here's a post of mine that is somewhat related: http://isledance.blogspot.com/2007/03/girly-strength.html I highly recommend incorporating everything you love and want into your daily life now - if only in little bits. Soon, you will see your life transitioning into what you want it to be. You are not alone! I relate to much of this as I chose to give up contemporary expectations to instead live simply and meaningfully. The beauty is that one can do this whether they are single or married. However, I can’t wait to find my man! Here’s a post of mine that is somewhat related: http://isledance.blogspot.com/2007/03/girly-strength.html

I highly recommend incorporating everything you love and want into your daily life now - if only in little bits. Soon, you will see your life transitioning into what you want it to be. You are not alone!

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By: MarkyMark http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-316 MarkyMark Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:48:24 +0000 http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-316 Cordelia, I found your webpage after reading your comments on the 'Grumpy Old Viking' blog. I must say that I'm impressed; here's a woman who GETS it! I'll try to give you a couple of pointers that'll perhaps help you rediscover your femininity; after all, masculinity has been under assault too, and us men are in the same boat as you. I'll share with you what has worked for me... One, do NOT beat yourself up! Don't be too hard on yourself for losing your femininity; rather, thank God you have the wisdom & self-awareness to KNOW that this is happening! >=90% of the people out there have no clue as to WHY they're miserable; all they know is that they are. You know the problem, so this puts you ahead of the game. Two, listen to what your instincts tell you; God put them there for a REASON. Listen to your 'little voice' is telling you; it'll never mislead you, provided you know how to listen to it. It's telling you that you're losing touch with who you are, and to be careful. Three, remember that there is an agenda being force-fed to us; a common method for this is TV & movies. Try to avoid any new TV shows or movies, as they are pushing the feminist, PC agenda; they're pushing the 'androgynous utopia'. If you carefully look at any TV show or movie less than 20-30 years old, you'll see what I'm talking about... As I said, you're not alone. Not only do women have the problem of losing touch with themselves, i.e. losing their femininity; men have had their masculinity taken from them, and many of my brothers do not know what it means to be a man. So, what have I done to COMBAT this? I watch old movies for one. In the older movies, masculinity & femininity are CLEARLY defined & illustrated. Watching them has helped me. Some of my favorites are: 1) Sands of Iwo Jima, with John Wayne, a MAN'S man; 2) Strategic Air Command, with Jimmy Stewart & June Allyson; 3) Operation Pacific, another John Wayne film; 4) Bridges at Toko-Ri, with William Holden & Grace Kelly; 5) In Harm's Way, yet another John Wayne film; 6) Twelve O'clock High with Gregory Peck; 7) The Enemy Below, with Robert Mitchum & Kurt Jurgens; 8) The Cockleshell Heroes, with Jose Ferrer & Trevor Howard; 9) Flying Tigers, starring John Wayne; and 10) Von Ryan's Express, with Frank Sinatra & Trevor Howard. I found that these films had the very BEST of men, manhood, and masculinity; hence, they were good tools with which to discover who I am. Being a woman, you'd no doubt find these films useful too, as they'd show you what an OLD FASHIONED man is like! If you're seeking to learn more about femininity and how men & women used to relate to one another, then I'd have to say that "Sands of Iwo Jima", "The Bridges at Toko-Ri, and "Strategic Air Command" would be your best bets. The other films (with the exception of "The Cockleshell Heroes" & "The Enemy Below") have female characters and relationships in them too, but they are, at best, tangential; they're not a MAIN part of the story. The three films I mentioned above would be GREAT for you to see how men & women related to one another; they'd also give you a good look at how an OLD FASHIONED woman acted. Here's another shocker-men & women actually LIKED & ENJOYED each other-gasp! I know that this is hard to believe, but it's true. The men were gentlemen, and the women were ladies. You could also start by reading old books; perhaps some of the classics would be a good for you? It's getting late, so I must sign off. The tips I have given you are NOT all encompassing; if anything, they're a starting point that'll have you headed in the right direction. I've been in your shoes, and I know how it is to try to be something you're not; men have had the same problem as women these last few decades. The preceding tips have worked for me, and I think that they'll help you too. These are tips that help me. Please rejoice in the fact that you are AWARE of your problem; most folks aren't, and their lives will tank eventually. Yours won't, because you're aware of the problem, and I can sense an intense desire to deal with it. Whatever you have to do, get the films I mentioned; watch them carefully, and watch them more than once. When you do this, you'll be on your way! I wish you well, Viking Princess... MarkyMark Cordelia,

I found your webpage after reading your comments on the ‘Grumpy Old Viking’ blog. I must say that I’m impressed; here’s a woman who GETS it! I’ll try to give you a couple of pointers that’ll perhaps help you rediscover your femininity; after all, masculinity has been under assault too, and us men are in the same boat as you. I’ll share with you what has worked for me…

One, do NOT beat yourself up! Don’t be too hard on yourself for losing your femininity; rather, thank God you have the wisdom & self-awareness to KNOW that this is happening! >=90% of the people out there have no clue as to WHY they’re miserable; all they know is that they are. You know the problem, so this puts you ahead of the game.

Two, listen to what your instincts tell you; God put them there for a REASON. Listen to your ‘little voice’ is telling you; it’ll never mislead you, provided you know how to listen to it. It’s telling you that you’re losing touch with who you are, and to be careful.

Three, remember that there is an agenda being force-fed to us; a common method for this is TV & movies. Try to avoid any new TV shows or movies, as they are pushing the feminist, PC agenda; they’re pushing the ‘androgynous utopia’. If you carefully look at any TV show or movie less than 20-30 years old, you’ll see what I’m talking about…

As I said, you’re not alone. Not only do women have the problem of losing touch with themselves, i.e. losing their femininity; men have had their masculinity taken from them, and many of my brothers do not know what it means to be a man. So, what have I done to COMBAT this?

I watch old movies for one. In the older movies, masculinity & femininity are CLEARLY defined & illustrated. Watching them has helped me. Some of my favorites are: 1) Sands of Iwo Jima, with John Wayne, a MAN’S man; 2) Strategic Air Command, with Jimmy Stewart & June Allyson; 3) Operation Pacific, another John Wayne film; 4) Bridges at Toko-Ri, with William Holden & Grace Kelly; 5) In Harm’s Way, yet another John Wayne film; 6) Twelve O’clock High with Gregory Peck; 7) The Enemy Below, with Robert Mitchum & Kurt Jurgens; 8) The Cockleshell Heroes, with Jose Ferrer & Trevor Howard; 9) Flying Tigers, starring John Wayne; and 10) Von Ryan’s Express, with Frank Sinatra & Trevor Howard. I found that these films had the very BEST of men, manhood, and masculinity; hence, they were good tools with which to discover who I am.

Being a woman, you’d no doubt find these films useful too, as they’d show you what an OLD FASHIONED man is like! If you’re seeking to learn more about femininity and how men & women used to relate to one another, then I’d have to say that “Sands of Iwo Jima”, “The Bridges at Toko-Ri, and “Strategic Air Command” would be your best bets. The other films (with the exception of “The Cockleshell Heroes” & “The Enemy Below”) have female characters and relationships in them too, but they are, at best, tangential; they’re not a MAIN part of the story. The three films I mentioned above would be GREAT for you to see how men & women related to one another; they’d also give you a good look at how an OLD FASHIONED woman acted. Here’s another shocker-men & women actually LIKED & ENJOYED each other-gasp! I know that this is hard to believe, but it’s true. The men were gentlemen, and the women were ladies.

You could also start by reading old books; perhaps some of the classics would be a good for you?

It’s getting late, so I must sign off. The tips I have given you are NOT all encompassing; if anything, they’re a starting point that’ll have you headed in the right direction. I’ve been in your shoes, and I know how it is to try to be something you’re not; men have had the same problem as women these last few decades. The preceding tips have worked for me, and I think that they’ll help you too. These are tips that help me. Please rejoice in the fact that you are AWARE of your problem; most folks aren’t, and their lives will tank eventually. Yours won’t, because you’re aware of the problem, and I can sense an intense desire to deal with it. Whatever you have to do, get the films I mentioned; watch them carefully, and watch them more than once. When you do this, you’ll be on your way! I wish you well, Viking Princess…

MarkyMark

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By: Iain Hall http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-325 Iain Hall Sun, 29 Apr 2007 01:55:36 +0000 http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-325 Hi Cordelia Nice Blog and you come a cross as a very genuine person. The way that you make the decisions about the balance between career and making a successful family are probably the most difficult that any of us have to consider. <strong>I like to think that we essentially have to decide whether we are living to work or working to live.</strong> But it seems to me that you are at least in the sort of industry where you could possibly re shape the architecture of your work so that you can continue to work from home and E-commute so that having children a family and your job does not become impossible. The only thing I would add is that you should not leave having your children until you are too old because there is nothing sadder than the bright intelligent women who have bought the feminist lie that a career is every thing sitting together in the waiting room of a fertility clinic and hoping for a miracle. Raising children is a great joy and a great leveller. I do not for one minute regret the time that I spend with my kids or think that I would better off chasing success up the corporate ladder. Of course I speak as a bloke who has done a role reversal with my wife. Anyway I like your blog enough to add you to my blog roll If you feel like reciprocating that would be nice but you don't have to if you don't want to Cheers Iain Hi Cordelia
Nice Blog and you come a cross as a very genuine person. The way that you make the decisions about the balance between career and making a successful family are probably the most difficult that any of us have to consider.
I like to think that we essentially have to decide whether we are living to work or working to live.
But it seems to me that you are at least in the sort of industry where you could possibly re shape the architecture of your work so that you can continue to work from home and E-commute so that having children a family and your job does not become impossible.
The only thing I would add is that you should not leave having your children until you are too old because there is nothing sadder than the bright intelligent women who have bought the feminist lie that a career is every thing sitting together in the waiting room of a fertility clinic and hoping for a miracle.
Raising children is a great joy and a great leveller. I do not for one minute regret the time that I spend with my kids or think that I would better off chasing success up the corporate ladder. Of course I speak as a bloke who has done a role reversal with my wife.
Anyway I like your blog enough to add you to my blog roll If you feel like reciprocating that would be nice but you don’t have to if you don’t want to
Cheers
Iain

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By: Cordelia http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-328 Cordelia Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:25:52 +0000 http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-328 MarkyMark, Thanks for taking the time to put down your thoughts, and thanks for the feedback. The entry was more like a letter really, so I think I'll pop over to your site and have a look around instead of writing a long letter back. I'll will certainly check out the films you mention though - I expect I can get them on bittorrent. <i>(Sorry about the delay in responding. Followinig up on your comment was more of a weekend than week-day thing.)</i> MarkyMark, Thanks for taking the time to put down your thoughts, and thanks for the feedback. The entry was more like a letter really, so I think I’ll pop over to your site and have a look around instead of writing a long letter back.

I’ll will certainly check out the films you mention though - I expect I can get them on bittorrent.

(Sorry about the delay in responding. Followinig up on your comment was more of a weekend than week-day thing.)

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By: MarkyMark http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-433 MarkyMark Fri, 11 May 2007 07:29:20 +0000 http://www.vikingprincess.net/60/femininity-and-womanhood-today#comment-433 Cordelia, I thought I'd drop a thought or two before signing off for the night. What you want is nice! It's also in accordance with nature, or rather God's plan. How powerful an influence is a mother? Give me a chance, and I'll explain... One, there is the old cliche about the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Cliches achieve their status precisely because they contain so much TRUTH. Two, you no doubt have heard of the Methodist church; you also are probably familiar with "Hark the Herald Angels Sing", along with other hymns that have been part of church services for centuries. Where did these come from? They came from John & Charles Wesley. Now, I always get the two brother mixed up; I can never, ever, ever remember which one wrote the hymns, and which one started the Methodist church. However, the two brothers WERE key players in church history. One brother preached the Gospel, and, in the process, shook TWO CONTINENTS to their foundations! The other wrote music which has withstood the test of time. Finally, their impact is being felt even today, though it's been hundreds of years since the Wesley brothers lived. However, anyone who knows ANYTHING about church history will be quick to tell you this: it was the boys' mother, Susannah Wesley, who played a key role in rearing both John & Charles Wesley, instilling in them their Godly faith and ways. Largely because of her efforts, the boys had in impact on the world; indeed, that is an understatement! I don't know what anyone else calls it, but I call it P-O-W-E-R. Sure beats any power any corner office denizen has... Unfortunately, women now chase the corner office, thinking that that is power. That is not power; what Susannah Wesley did-now, THAT was power! When you're considered as being responsible for the impact two of her boys had, impact that is still being felt today, that is very real power... I have to sign off. Have a good night... MarkyMark Cordelia,

I thought I’d drop a thought or two before signing off for the night.

What you want is nice! It’s also in accordance with nature, or rather God’s plan. How powerful an influence is a mother? Give me a chance, and I’ll explain…

One, there is the old cliche about the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Cliches achieve their status precisely because they contain so much TRUTH.

Two, you no doubt have heard of the Methodist church; you also are probably familiar with “Hark the Herald Angels Sing”, along with other hymns that have been part of church services for centuries. Where did these come from? They came from John & Charles Wesley.

Now, I always get the two brother mixed up; I can never, ever, ever remember which one wrote the hymns, and which one started the Methodist church. However, the two brothers WERE key players in church history. One brother preached the Gospel, and, in the process, shook TWO CONTINENTS to their foundations! The other wrote music which has withstood the test of time. Finally, their impact is being felt even today, though it’s been hundreds of years since the Wesley brothers lived.

However, anyone who knows ANYTHING about church history will be quick to tell you this: it was the boys’ mother, Susannah Wesley, who played a key role in rearing both John & Charles Wesley, instilling in them their Godly faith and ways. Largely because of her efforts, the boys had in impact on the world; indeed, that is an understatement! I don’t know what anyone else calls it, but I call it P-O-W-E-R. Sure beats any power any corner office denizen has…

Unfortunately, women now chase the corner office, thinking that that is power. That is not power; what Susannah Wesley did-now, THAT was power! When you’re considered as being responsible for the impact two of her boys had, impact that is still being felt today, that is very real power…

I have to sign off. Have a good night…

MarkyMark

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