Comments on: Valborgsmässoafton – Walpurgis http://www.vikingprincess.net/69/valborgsmassoafton-%e2%80%93-walpurgis Old-fashioned Girl in a Post Modern, Hi-Tech World... Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:12:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: K http://www.vikingprincess.net/69/valborgsmassoafton-%e2%80%93-walpurgis#comment-397 K Mon, 07 May 2007 06:35:02 +0000 http://www.vikingprincess.net/69/valborgsmassoafton-%e2%80%93-walpurgis#comment-397 Do you have any references, especially pictures, of the stone maze on Blåkulla? It sounds interesting. I really doubt that 50,000 accused witches were executed in Sweden. Historians think it was something like 40,000 in all of Europe over 250 odd years. People also often say that witches were burnt at the stake, but according to records that never happened in England. It did in other parts of Europe though. The massively inflated numbers of deaths (I've heard things like millions) seem to be a modern thing. Maybe not created, but certainly forwarded by feminists as "proof" of misogyny. Do you have any references, especially pictures, of the stone maze on Blåkulla? It sounds interesting.

I really doubt that 50,000 accused witches were executed in Sweden. Historians think it was something like 40,000 in all of Europe over 250 odd years.

People also often say that witches were burnt at the stake, but according to records that never happened in England. It did in other parts of Europe though.

The massively inflated numbers of deaths (I’ve heard things like millions) seem to be a modern thing. Maybe not created, but certainly forwarded by feminists as “proof” of misogyny.

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By: Cordelia http://www.vikingprincess.net/69/valborgsmassoafton-%e2%80%93-walpurgis#comment-400 Cordelia Mon, 07 May 2007 08:26:10 +0000 http://www.vikingprincess.net/69/valborgsmassoafton-%e2%80%93-walpurgis#comment-400 Well, I am glad to see that somebody read this article carefully enough to spot an error! I was beginning to worry that it was too boring, ramlbling or whatever. The sentence should have read <em>"50000 people throughout Europe."</em> It's changed now. I checked the fact before using it (on Answers.com or something like that) and that was the number that was given....). I agree with you that the whole thing may have been hyped up a bit though. The Salem Witch trials in the US may have something to do with it. Not sure how many women got executed there, but it was in the one digit for sure. But 50 000 people in Protestant Europe over 200 years means these executions can't have been <strong>that</strong> unusual. I too remember being told in school that the witches were killed<strong> before </strong>they were burnt at the stake. I inserted the best picture of this maze that I was able to find (I only found three) There are tons of these stone mazes around in Sweden. Some are really ancient, some are only a few hundred years old. It appears that nobody knows anything about this particular maze. I simply couldn't find any info about its origins. Local people historically never went to the island, so they hardly know anything about it, whereas under normal circumstances, the origin would probably be known locally. Their is a twice-weekly tour there now, otherwise the island is off limits on the grounds of being a nature reserve. Aparently it is the home of Scandinavia's biggest frogs. Well, I am glad to see that somebody read this article carefully enough to spot an error! I was beginning to worry that it was too boring, ramlbling or whatever.

The sentence should have read “50000 people throughout Europe.” It’s changed now. I checked the fact before using it (on Answers.com or something like that) and that was the number that was given….).

I agree with you that the whole thing may have been hyped up a bit though. The Salem Witch trials in the US may have something to do with it. Not sure how many women got executed there, but it was in the one digit for sure. But 50 000 people in Protestant Europe over 200 years means these executions can’t have been that unusual.

I too remember being told in school that the witches were killed before they were burnt at the stake.

I inserted the best picture of this maze that I was able to find (I only found three) There are tons of these stone mazes around in Sweden. Some are really ancient, some are only a few hundred years old. It appears that nobody knows anything about this particular maze. I simply couldn’t find any info about its origins.

Local people historically never went to the island, so they hardly know anything about it, whereas under normal circumstances, the origin would probably be known locally. Their is a twice-weekly tour there now, otherwise the island is off limits on the grounds of being a nature reserve. Aparently it is the home of Scandinavia’s biggest frogs.

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By: K http://www.vikingprincess.net/69/valborgsmassoafton-%e2%80%93-walpurgis#comment-403 K Mon, 07 May 2007 09:37:04 +0000 http://www.vikingprincess.net/69/valborgsmassoafton-%e2%80%93-walpurgis#comment-403 Wow, how has that maze survived? I was expecting something a bit bigger and sturdier. Maybe the stories about the island were made up to protect the maze? If you put something like that in an easily accessible place then people probably would have moved all the rocks by now. Are there any purposes to the mazes? Usually mazes are just follies, but this one hardly looks like it was made to impress the guy next door. Wow, how has that maze survived? I was expecting something a bit bigger and sturdier.

Maybe the stories about the island were made up to protect the maze? If you put something like that in an easily accessible place then people probably would have moved all the rocks by now.

Are there any purposes to the mazes? Usually mazes are just follies, but this one hardly looks like it was made to impress the guy next door.

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By: Cordelia http://www.vikingprincess.net/69/valborgsmassoafton-%e2%80%93-walpurgis#comment-404 Cordelia Mon, 07 May 2007 10:15:50 +0000 http://www.vikingprincess.net/69/valborgsmassoafton-%e2%80%93-walpurgis#comment-404 Researching this issue following your earlier comment really made me curious! There is much more to this island than I first thought. No wonder it scared people! I will add a few things to the post, and I may create a separate entry about it. Apparently the island is<strong> made of the same very rare stone as Ayers Rock in Australia..!</strong> Apparently the weather around the island causes it to<strong> usually be covered in mist</strong>, adding to the mystical aura around it. It is very difficult and dangerous to try to dock a boat there. The maze was there when Carl von Linneaus (a very famous botanist) visited in 1741. There was a <strong>guesstimate that says it is bronze age</strong> - same era as the stone-circles on the British Isles. I believe it is a bit unclear what these were for also. I know (from school) that <strong>people used to court in these mazes during the Middle Ages</strong>. Hence the name Jungfrudans (maiden's dance). <em>(More romantic and fascinating than being picked up in a night club, don't you think ;-) ) </em> Also the <strong>Vikings supposedly used them for fertility rites, </strong>however exactly how... was never specified! Another name for them are <strong>"Trojaburg"</strong> (meaning Castle of Troy) I don't remember ever learning what their original bronze-age purpose might have been. It probably isn't actually known. Stone mazes need a bit of maintenance though. If it really is originally from the bronze age, I agree that it must have recieved some form of maintenance during the centuries. Researching this issue following your earlier comment really made me curious!

There is much more to this island than I first thought. No wonder it scared people! I will add a few things to the post, and I may create a separate entry about it.

Apparently the island is made of the same very rare stone as Ayers Rock in Australia..!

Apparently the weather around the island causes it to usually be covered in mist, adding to the mystical aura around it. It is very difficult and dangerous to try to dock a boat there.

The maze was there when Carl von Linneaus (a very famous botanist) visited in 1741. There was a guesstimate that says it is bronze age - same era as the stone-circles on the British Isles. I believe it is a bit unclear what these were for also.

I know (from school) that people used to court in these mazes during the Middle Ages. Hence the name Jungfrudans (maiden’s dance). (More romantic and fascinating than being picked up in a night club, don’t you think ;-) )

Also the Vikings supposedly used them for fertility rites, however exactly how… was never specified!

Another name for them are “Trojaburg” (meaning Castle of Troy)

I don’t remember ever learning what their original bronze-age purpose might have been. It probably isn’t actually known.

Stone mazes need a bit of maintenance though. If it really is originally from the bronze age, I agree that it must have recieved some form of maintenance during the centuries.

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By: K http://www.vikingprincess.net/69/valborgsmassoafton-%e2%80%93-walpurgis#comment-406 K Mon, 07 May 2007 14:13:11 +0000 http://www.vikingprincess.net/69/valborgsmassoafton-%e2%80%93-walpurgis#comment-406 I once heard that the Hebrides in Scotland are made of different rock from the rest of the UK and that they're basically rubble from somewhere else due to continental shifting. I think they were also volcanic at some point, which just adds to the difference. I've never been able to confirm this but if it's true then other stuff in northern Europe could be from elsewhere. As far as I know, most of the stone circles in the UK are related to astronomy. Stonehenge lines up with the solstices and equinoxes (I think it's events) and the moon's 18.6 year orbit thing (wikipedia says it's the "longitude of the ascending node", which basically means the time it takes for it to appear in the exact same place in the sky). It was built by priests or something to show their people that there was still order to the world even though everything was changing (coming out of an ice age or something). To be honest, I wasn't paying that much attention. But anyway, I don't see how a maze has anything to do with something like astronomy! While trying to check the Hebrides rock thing, I found something that said that they've been inhabited since 8000BC. I always expect remote islands to be the last places to become inhabited but it seems like they're often some of the first, probably due to safety. I once heard that the Hebrides in Scotland are made of different rock from the rest of the UK and that they’re basically rubble from somewhere else due to continental shifting. I think they were also volcanic at some point, which just adds to the difference. I’ve never been able to confirm this but if it’s true then other stuff in northern Europe could be from elsewhere.

As far as I know, most of the stone circles in the UK are related to astronomy. Stonehenge lines up with the solstices and equinoxes (I think it’s events) and the moon’s 18.6 year orbit thing (wikipedia says it’s the “longitude of the ascending node”, which basically means the time it takes for it to appear in the exact same place in the sky). It was built by priests or something to show their people that there was still order to the world even though everything was changing (coming out of an ice age or something). To be honest, I wasn’t paying that much attention.

But anyway, I don’t see how a maze has anything to do with something like astronomy!

While trying to check the Hebrides rock thing, I found something that said that they’ve been inhabited since 8000BC. I always expect remote islands to be the last places to become inhabited but it seems like they’re often some of the first, probably due to safety.

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By: Will http://www.vikingprincess.net/69/valborgsmassoafton-%e2%80%93-walpurgis#comment-415 Will Mon, 07 May 2007 22:32:22 +0000 http://www.vikingprincess.net/69/valborgsmassoafton-%e2%80%93-walpurgis#comment-415 Heilsa Frey and Freya! Maybe had I sacraficed a beer or two to them I'd have a few children by now. I just heard of this celebration a few days ago from some Asatru people. Heilsa Frey and Freya! Maybe had I sacraficed a beer or two to them I’d have a few children by now. I just heard of this celebration a few days ago from some Asatru people.

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By: Alex http://www.vikingprincess.net/69/valborgsmassoafton-%e2%80%93-walpurgis#comment-422 Alex Wed, 09 May 2007 14:24:26 +0000 http://www.vikingprincess.net/69/valborgsmassoafton-%e2%80%93-walpurgis#comment-422 A lot of ancient structures (especially Roman buildings) in Britain were wrecked by people who were after the stone - looting is easier than quarrying and dressing it yourself. Others (like Stonehenge and Avebury) were "restored" since the 18th century - "Let's put that big rock back upright!" There was a big revival of interest in ancient monuments and culture during the Enlightenment in Britain, but unfortunately it's because of it that a lot of it was lost. Some really old churches have bits of pre-Christian stonework incorporated in the walls. You can make up your own mind whether this was because it was a cheap way to get the stone, or whether the early priests wanted to take over the pagans' stuff in order to convert them more easily.. In the civil war, the people who lived near the Iron Age fort at Maiden Castle once rebelled against Cromwell's army. They went straight to the ancient fort. Where the parliamentary troops just rode up and shot them, true, but it shows something. A lot of ancient structures (especially Roman buildings) in Britain were wrecked by people who were after the stone - looting is easier than quarrying and dressing it yourself. Others (like Stonehenge and Avebury) were “restored” since the 18th century - “Let’s put that big rock back upright!” There was a big revival of interest in ancient monuments and culture during the Enlightenment in Britain, but unfortunately it’s because of it that a lot of it was lost.

Some really old churches have bits of pre-Christian stonework incorporated in the walls. You can make up your own mind whether this was because it was a cheap way to get the stone, or whether the early priests wanted to take over the pagans’ stuff in order to convert them more easily..

In the civil war, the people who lived near the Iron Age fort at Maiden Castle once rebelled against Cromwell’s army. They went straight to the ancient fort. Where the parliamentary troops just rode up and shot them, true, but it shows something.

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