The psychology of abuse explains it all. It’s about power and control. What might appear to be willing followers is in fact fearful followers, unaware of alternatives followers, or homegrown abusive followers.

For those held against their will… How can they have hope for freedom if the world has yet to figure out how to free them? How can they have the energy to save themselves if the world has yet to figure out how to gather the energy necessary to save them? It is the psychology of abuse, indeed.

And…simple living is a beautiful choice in any society. People are catching on…and getting back to the basics. YAY.

They really seem like charming people though, and you have to admire some of the things that they have achieved.

Still, the country is a political mystery, a thriller and a social experiment that has already cost lots of innocent people their lives…

I distrust anything those commies say. To me totalitarianism isn’t an alternative economic model or a way of life. I’d like not to be insulted and told that someone else has a better idea of what I want out of life.

I think I would feel entirely different about North Korea if it was MY country that they were writing propaganda and shouting abuse about.

Coming from a small and relatively low profile country I have no idea what it is like to constantly have your country villified. Having been brought up by conservative parents in a socialist country, I find it easy to see both sides of the coin. I am a traditionalist at heart though.

Here in Europe most people like the US a lot (as I do). However we just like to affirm that fact that we have our own countries, traditions and values despite the massive American influence.

Most people do that through the odd snidy comment about the US (as a nation). Despite the fact that nearly everybody likes American PEOPLE a lot!

Hope I didn’t offend your feelings! I liked the film a lot and wanted to write something different…. I also like and appreciate your comments a lot!

You should do a trace on my IP address(if it’s logged). You’ll notice I’m actually an Aussie!

The problem with totalitarian and socialist thought I have is what I’ve written before. Those philosophies assume that the individual has no idea what is “right” and needs some benevolent government to tell them. That is where, at least philosophically, most of these regimes shoot themselves in the foot.

I must say though that that the story on feelings is interesting. Everyone I believe has some feeling of patriotism towards their country, and the DPRK is simply exploiting this and milking the cow dry with it’s propaganda. Hence you get that kind of devotion out of the people.

Additionally, I might add, the fact these people are nice doesn’t make them, let say evil. Throughout history many appear nice but drop the ball and they will have no compunction in slitting your throat.

Finally, I do understand your feelings about consumerist propaganda in the West. You are after all a woman and don’t have a man’s ability to resist…

Nah, truth be told we’re just as bad with other things, mainly with boys toys like cars and electronics.

For the record we here in America are more then aware of what we have done to Japan, Germany, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and so on. Korea was carpet bombed, Vietnam was carpet bombed, Japan was Nuked…twice. And poor Germany was left with hardly a building standing and her people made to suffer the crimes of a leader. We are well versed in what it is we did and why we did it. I wish people would stop listening to the losers of the world. Why not listen to the winners.

So here I read the anti view of the horrors we perpetuated. Not simply rejected as folly but repeated as if its a viable view somone can hold if theory are so disposed. I am sure the Filmakers had an agenda.

What about all the peoples of Europe who now live free or would be free had they not embraced socialism in the aftermath of WW2. Would you all prefer to be Nazis(They were the socialists party remember)? I htink I may in light of current imigration problems. It may have been a preferable solution to letting Russia or China become massive communist states in the vaccum after the war. 50 million people died in WW2. Maybe Europe would not have the population problems it has now. 1.2 birth rate is not sustainable as a civilization. I know we here in the US are only at 2.0 and thats because of our south American imigrants. Add to that the 50 million babies abortion has taken.

The Japanese a most honorable and strong enemy, I am sure all in the Pacific have some gratitude for us pushing them back. I know the Aussies are, and are to this day remain one of our staunchest friends, as is England.

To the people of South Korea and Japan. How many millions now live free and successful lives because of our intervention. S. Korea and Japan would surely be communist or at the least under threat from China like Taiwan. Would the people of S. Korea like to live like N. Koreans?

Vietnam, we were helping our Friends the French out who promptly left us holding the bag. Our polititians lost that one for us. We let the south Vietnamese down there..they all died as well as allowed the rise of Phol Pot and the killing fields happen.

Bosnia, I believe in light of current events we were on the wrong side there. It was a war fought from 15000 feet. Not our finest moments.

Somalia, what a mess all because the UN was in control of our troops and our Pesident could not stand 15 deaths. Now we are succesfully fighting Islam and AlQueda in concert with the Ethiopians and they are winning! Go Ethioia!

Now we have Iraq. I know the Kurds are thankful for saving them. I would like to believe the every day Shiite (sp) is happy to be done with Suny rule. Its the USA and its few friends who realize the nature of the expansion of Islam in todays world. So far we have slowed down the creation of a global Caliphate down as peacfully as we can. We spent trillions of our capitalist treasure so the middle east would not look like Germany or Japan. We have spent lives to ensure as few lives as possible are lost. Our soldiers are the finest on the planet and it pains me they are handcuffed by lawyers in doing their job.

War’s purpose is to kill people and break things until the enemy has no more desire to fight. For the most part we Americans fought with honor and that is more then I can say for past enemies and certainly our present enemy. War is hell and people die. Thats the deterant for ever starting one.

Now for whats wrong with DPRK. Nothing, except the people are not free to do what they want, work how they want, think what they want, broaded their minds how they want, buy what they want, travel where they please. or be free in any way. People starve while Kim Jong Ill drinks Jack Daniels by the case and enjoys numerous other Western pleasures. Its good for him but not his people. Enough Said.

Generally people are not evil. Goverments can be evil, religions can be evil and people who fervrenty believe in things can act evily.

As an american I believe people know best how to rule their lives. We all should be free to chose our own destinies. Anything else is evil.And so I disagree with your statement about the world being shades of grey. Nonsense…the world IS black and white with some room in between for grey but not much. Either you are free or not. It’s a falacy of todays socialist, equivilist thinking society that things are all shades of grey. Oh yes and we are all equal to each other, equal to the lest common denomonator. Such nonsense.

Capitalism. I am so tired or people saying the capitalist system is evil. It bespeaks of ignorance. Capitalism is in fact the absense of any system. Its what people do when they are free to create, buy and sell as they wish. It gets screwed up when people mess with it and place rules on it whether it be a product or labor.

I wish the Malcontent anti U.S.A.ers would pause a minute and think about a world were the US never existed.

Let Iran get a nuke, Let DPRK have its nukes. Hell let the Muslems take over France and then they can have all of the EU’s nukes. Maybe a Global Caliphate won’t be so bad. Europe is alot closer to ran then we are. What if we went away and closed our selves to the rest of you all? We know best what happens with Nukes and its why we try so fervrently to stop otehrs from escalating with them.

Currently Its Amrica who is building Anti missle defense systems in ALaska, the West coast of America, In japan, S Korea, Isreal, The Chek republic and the other eastern block countries to defend Europe and America from whats comming. Russia/China and ISlam. I hope Putin picks our side.

I am not a globalist in any way shape or form. I am a capitalist. I believe we should be free to shape our own destinies. I believe each land should retain its culture, crafts, and history. In this way each culture can be free as I think all men/Women should be. When I see Europe I don’t see much retention of culture at all(america has less). I see America on every corner. That makes me sad. I should only see America on every corner in America. When I go to Sweden I want to see Sweden. When I go to Japan I want to see Japan, India I want India.

America is on the cusp of change. Shortly we will be a socialist nation. As America goes so does the world. Beware and be afraid of what lies ahead for us all. Shed a tear when we fall and our Constitution burns and all our power, all our technology and and all our strength lies in the hands of people who do not believe each of us has the knowledge, wisdom or ideas to choose our own destinies, but it must be them who chose for us. As Rome Burned so does the US and the last free peoples on earth are no longer. Will Norway or Sweden take me in as a refuge? God help us and you all for there will be none to save you when we are gone.

I only half apologise for getting hacked off here in your domain Cordeilia. You have been a gracious host and moderator and seem like a very nice person. For this I apologise…for the truth I do not.

The Japanese a most honorable and strong enemy, I am sure all in the Pacific have some gratitude for us pushing them back. I know the Aussies are, and are to this day remain one of our staunchest friends, as is England.

We sure are.

We’re also thankful for the US supporting our unpopular Iraq War.

On the other hand, your apologetic tone for the mass starvation and other atrocities committed by the Kim Regime; naivety as to the “alternative worldview” in which North Koreans have, apparently voluntarily, chosen to lead simple lives and to “reject” excessive consumerism; and your incomprehensible denial of the patent evil of Kim and son for how they have raped North Korea and its people for their personal gain, blackmailed the rest of the world for additional aid with ballistic missiles, one of the largest armies in the world, and threats of nuclear weapons; are, quite frankly, extremely disturbing.

You seem to have missed out on the economic lessons of the Cold War and the meltdown of communism as a viable economic model. As Milton Friedman preached in the 1960’s, there is, so far, no alternative discovered to man other than capitalism for lifting the masses out of that type of dire poverty. The horrors of watching glib television commercials is a fairly small price, compared to watching your family eat the bark off of trees and dying of starvation. Have you not seen the nighttime satellite photos of Korea contrasting the lighted cities of the capitalist South with the utter blackness of the communist North.

And as you are subtly balancing the moral equivalency of the horrors of American warfare with the regimes we have fought over the years, consider what we have left in our path wherever America has prevailed, in Germany, Japan, South Korea, Eastern Europe, and now, hopefully, in Afghanistan and Iraq, and compare that to the dire poverty and loss of freedom where our opponents have prevailed, in Communist Vietnam, North Korea, and Somalia.

If Europeans are such that they can not distinguish the difference between the successes of capitalism versus the failures of centrally planned economies, and can not distinguish between the good of democracy and personal freedoms and versus the evil of having your nation raped of its every bounty by its leaders, then it is a sad day for the world, indeed.

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